I Live as a Hermit in my Man-Cave and Have Sex with This Bagel
Peter: I’m gonna go microwave a bagel and have sex with it.
Quagmire: Butter’s in the fridge!
I am not an MRA. Nor am I planning on going my own way anytime soon.
I’m just a man.
I am an intellectual fellow-traveler with some of the MRAs and MGTOWs in that I think the slide away from traditional values coupled with feminist nonsense has been detrimental to society. But that’s about where it ends for me. I just don’t see the point in the battle if victory doesn’t include the ladies. Don’t get me wrong. I love drinking beer with the guys as much as anyone, but I don’t want them to rub my shoulders at the end of a long day. I don’t want to move through life with a hairy, burly sidekick. I don’t want to spend my days in an undecorated cardboard box, masturbating to crude pictures I drew on the box with ashes. I don’t want to end up in Peter Griffin’s alternate future in which I’ve sworn off women, made millions, and explored carnal knowledge with bagels.
Sure, sure, marriage 2.0 is often a bum deal for men. Feminism has spread many pretty lies. The battle is steep. Nevertheless, claiming to have all the knowledge about what is wrong with American society and what needs to happen to fix those faults, but being unwilling to use it for anything productive, is just another way of saying, “I choose not to run.”
Or of saying you’re a big pussy who has thrown in the towel.
Dress it up however you like, but if you Go Ghost, or whatever you call your male-specific version of Going Galt, you’re still trying to recreate a plot device from a fictional novel. Don’t conflate the theme with the plot device. If you want to be an expat because you enjoy travel, foreign women, and adventure, just say that. If you want to be an expat because you think America is beyond repair and you want to get out while you can, say that. It’s okay. Nobody gives a fuck, at least nobody did until you started howling at the moon. If you want to be an expat because you’re a special snowflake who is so much more enlightened than the rest of us, but not enlightened enough to save the rest of us, good luck finding your destination with your head buried that far up your own ass.
On Friday, Welmer posted an article at The Spearhead called Fatherhood: What’s the Point? In that article, Welmer said:
But as fundamental as parenthood may be, fatherhood is the more tenuous of two basic parent-child relationships. It is a fragile flower – a gift to humanity – that sets us apart from the beasts of the field. Anthropologists like to speculate about what it is that makes us uniquely human. Could it be language? The use of tools? The ability to plan ahead? All of these things may set us apart to one degree or another, but fatherhood surely is just as important as any of them. Whether one believes that humans evolved from troglodytes or were created in God’s own image, we can all agree that the human father-child bond is unique. In most other species, what sets sires apart from other males tends to be that they avoid killing their progeny. However, these beasts seem to have nothing more than a built-in tolerance for their offspring. In humans, there is mutual recognition of a special bond. That human fathers and children have a close, unique relationship is a very rare, special thing in the realm of life on earth.
So rather than argue about the benefits or drawbacks of fatherhood, I think we should take a step out of the debate and acknowledge that fatherhood is simply an integral part of ourselves as men, whether we have children or not. It is in our nature, and it influences how we relate to the world around us. The domestication of animals, the birth of art and material creativity, and the fostering of civilization are all fruits of the paternal nature of the human male.
In short, fatherhood is what makes us human.
All in all, the above is uncontroversial. In light of the recent death of Welmer’s father, it’s a beautiful tribute to the fact that the father/offspring relationship is special.
Other readers, based on the comments section, apparently saw something totally different in the article. There was lots of affirmation for the statement that appeared earlier in the article, “Rationally speaking, it would be very difficult to make a case for having children today.” But there was very little in the way of support for the actual thrust of the article. The closest came from people offering suggestions on how men can become fathers, with custody, without going the trouble of having a relationship.
And I just don’t get it.
I am not only a man. I am also a husband and a father. I enjoy those things because I have a wife and family who are worth the effort they require. For me, and men like me, having a wife and family are not death knells. They are very good things. For those men who have not yet achieved such satisfaction, the fight is about giving them better inputs, better laws, better ladies with which to work. It’s for damn sure not about convincing them that their evolutionary desire to live in a group and procreate is really a desire to live in a cave without lasting relationships. MRAs and MGTOWs bemoan shaming language, yet there is a lot of shaming language directed at men who do live or wish to live more traditional lives.
I don’t want to throw in the towel. I don’t want to go ghost. I don’t want to live in decay either. I don’t want my daughters, my genetic legacy, to live in decay. I want them to be able to spend their lives with people they love instead of in solitary existences punctuated with random hook-ups and rot. In order for that to happen, changes must occur. Such changes may require a little creative destruction.
Through such destruction, we might still educate the masses. Through such destruction, we might still achieve lasting happiness. Such destruction requires active participation; vanished men will not implement the changes we seek. Such destruction requires us to seek a higher goal than bagel sex.
Are you down for the challenge? Or is that buttery hole just too tempting?


i was at a wedding this weekend….and knowing both the bride and groom….the shaming language i have quickly dropped about marriage and the like…just didn’t feel right in my brain. i thought, the bride, whom i’ve known longer than the groom, is a genuinely caring person, whom many a guy would be lucky to marry, esp. given the current landscape. the guy, he seems genuinely happy with his choice…and they both have been happy near as i can tell since they met.
part of my post, “eyes open” mentality has been decrying marriage and the like as a death of sorts….but somehow the script in my brain just did not fit with what i was seeing.
Great post Ulysses. I’m certainly in the same boat here…and furthermore, just as Tallagash wrote, I too know of some people that are certainly exceptions to the rule.
That being said, we should all be advising men to be VERY careful in selecting a woman to get married to. It is literally the most life changing, important, consequential decision he will ever make…and he should know why that is.
I agree with throwing caution to the wind, but caution isn’t surrender. I see the risk of minimizing one set of risks while overblowing another set. Marriage is risky. Many rewards follow risk. The calculus just has to be correct. Don’t get married just to get married, but don’t stay single just b/c of the odds.
Wonderful post, Ulysses! I have thought it quite sad that those who claim to see the problems with modern society area also too pessimistic, too unattached or too weak to work for change.
I agree with you that men who see the current plight of society should be doing what they can to make a difference. A difference can be made if enough men are willing to tackle all of the challenges and obstacles to making a marriage work well and raising offspring well.
Though it is certainly with some fear and trepidation, I definitely look forward to the day when I am a father and can raise my children to live virtuous lives, love God and have rich, rewarding relationships. Fatherhood, not escapism, is the proper masculine response to the social decay and disease that we see all around.
Thank you for writing this!
A think a good deal of the wine in the Manosphere is made from sour grapes.
I suspect you are wholly correct. I often wonder how many of the angriest voices are also the voices of dudes who haven’t gotten laid in a long time. There’s also the possibility, raised by OneSTDV over at Gucci Little Piggy, that some of the most vocal agitators in the Manosphere are not so interested in female companionship to begin with – Ulysses.
Great post. I couldn’t agree more. It’s nice to know that there are other people who understand the concerns raised by the MRA community without going overboard.
I’d add that I don’t really understand what the goals of MRAs who don’t want a family are. I always thought the point of objecting to feminism, etc. was to restore the stable, loving family.
Labels can be tricky. I expect there are positive men amongst ‘ghosts’ that have values closer to yours than men who are married – in another age they might have been called ‘self-sufficient’ and ‘easily contented’.
Some fear solitude. Many distrust those who like their own company. Usually it’s unfounded.
For me it’s not the virtues possessed by certain “ghosts,” it’s the application of those virtues. If you’ve got the intellect and the skills to defeat the adversary, don’t cop out and walk away rather than take a risk. As I said in response to Dave, neither choice is risk-free, though it’s sometimes presented as such.
From a selfish standpoint, I’d like to see more self-sufficient or easily-contented individuals take the risk and hang around. Together we have a greater chance of defeating our foes.
Ulysses,
Great parody! You mimicked the “shame ‘em and blame ‘em” feminists and manginas perfectly. I’ll bet you’re a great wife to some lucky woman.
Hint: You could have saved a lot of hypocritical effort just by copy-pasting “Shame!” a few dozen times.
Yep, you’ve figured me out. Debate is such a waste of time. Men who like women and want to figure out a way to fix things in such a way that keeps them in the equation are such fags – U.
I suppose I should stopped being impressed by how balanced and rational you are, but it continues to happen. While I don’t necessarily agree with Welmer’s logic, or support my own ideas of social change, I do love how you wrote this up.
I certainly welcome the “human touch” you introduced here.
So sorely lacking here in the mansphere. Gender robots is the vibe.
It’s difficult, if not impossible, to simultaneously entertain the dire beliefs of absolute MRAism while continuing to interact daily with many people who have managed to get it right.
Much of MRA strikes me as antagonistic surrender. Apathy with a sword.
Men must be actively involved humans above all. As you pointed out, fathers; they are the Ground Zero of men reclaiming manhood, for themselves and future generations.
Goddamnit Ulysses, here I was going to post a rant on this very subject and you went and stole my thunder. Bravo.
I intend to become a father, but not a husband. With modern technology, I can find an egg donor, surrogate mother, and even select the sex of the child without shackling myself to a woman.
Two pieces of advice: One, don’t raise a kid by yourself. Get an au pair, get some help, run fatherhood game so that you always have companions who like babies (girls flock to a dude in public who is with a baby but not a girl.) Trust me. There’s a reason humans have raised babies in pairs. It’s too time consuming and sleep depriving for one person. Two, wait until you’re absolutely sure you don’t want an LTR of some sort, whom you can observe in real life and not just on paper, before you start buying eggs. Just like the paper alpha, there are paper genetic superiors. Think about it. You could probably name a few girls off the top of your head who would look great on paper, but who you know shouldn’t be sharing genetic material with future generations.
Beautiful work, Ulysses. I’m thrilled to see someone writing about the positives of marriage and fatherhood, rather than dismissing them as some sort of pussywhipped trap.
I never thought I’d be doing either with my life or that the combination of fatherhood/marriage would make me happy. But it does, in a very real and very different way than I ever thought it would.
People always want to point out how much you give up but never want to hear what you gain, mainly because the gains are mostly intangible.
Thanks again for this.